Thursday, October 29, 2009

To Start Things Off

In my youth I blindly accepted anything taught to me and believed whatever I was told to believe. When I opened my eyes I was astonished at all the contradicting beliefs I had in my head and decided it was time to sort them out.

Christianity is all around me, and most if not all of my friends are Christian, though I now struggle with it. There are so many things that Christians practice that I don’t agree with, I don’t believe are right, and I don’t partake in at all. Mostly because I feel that almost all Christians were as I once was.. they see a box that says Christian Beliefs, and they try to fit whatever they can into the box… but if it doesn’t fit then it’s demonic, satanic, and must be avoided at all costs and/or destroyed!

I have been doing a lot of searching lately and I cringe everytime I hear something blamed on Satan or “The Enemy” or whatever other term people may use to describe this devil who wants to kill, steal, and destroy. I decided to look further into the history of Satan, more specifically the Jewish outlook, since Christianity somewhat stemmed from that religion.

The Jews do not believe that Satan is a fallen angel. They believe he is an agent of God, THE angel who tests humans on God’s behalf, doing God’s will as all angels do. Thus, they do not believe that he is evil, or that he works against the will of God. He is, in a way, against us, but that is his job. He doesn’t do it out of spite, or malice, or hatred of humans. He does it because that is what his Lord commands of him.

So, taking the above paragraph into account I’d like to establish a couple things:

God does not have oversight. What he creates he creates perfectly as he intended it to be. We are sinners because God intended us to be sinners. If we were perfect then there would be no reason to exist as we do here.

God’s will be done no matter what. He’s the most powerful being in existence. He CREATED existence! So if our measly will is in opposition to His, then ours shall fail and His will undoubtedly succeed.

So taking everything into account now, the Jewish view of Satan makes so much more sense to me. Satan could not be a fallen angel because that would mean he was defective and God does not create things that are defective, unless he wills them to be so. The Bible can say whatever it wants about the evil of Satan and demons and whatnot, but when God created this world he created a tree. A tree that contained the knowledge of good and EVIL. Thus if evil had not existed prior to this point, it existed now. God created good and evil, and he governs both. He governs everything, so why do Christians have a problem understanding this?

When I hear my friends tell me that something is demonic, I look at them and wonder if they know that such is demonic or if that’s just what they’ve been taught to believe. When we look back into the mythology of cultures around the world, there is almost ALWAYS at least one adversary. The Norse mythology it’s Loki. In Egyptian mythology it’s Set and a few others. Greek mythology has more well-rounded deities but Ares and Hades took a lot of flack. People need someone else to blame for their problems, and they blame whatever is most convenient to blame according to their beliefs. Satan may be to blame. But if he is carrying out the will of God, then he is just a messenger really. So then you are blaming God for your problems, but if this is true then you are simply nieve and ignorant. Yes, I said that, and I’ll explain.

If you are one of those people who blame God (or Satan) for when things go wrong, then you do not understand why we are here in the first place. You do not understand that we are not here to have a breezy, carefree life.. because one gains no wisdom from nothingness. It’s when we are challenged, put under stress, made to do things that are hard that we gain wisdom. We are here to learn, to grow, and to be tested. We can hate our tester all we want, but that does not sway him from his duty.

If you don’t like what I’ve said, read it again before you comment, but I do want to hear what you have to say as long as it’s constructive.

FYI: I am no longer a Christian, at least not in the way we are taught by the church. I believe in God, perhaps even the divinity of Jesus Christ (still working on that) and I have great respect for the lessons taught in the Bible. But the way the system works right now disgusts me. It’s almost as corrupt as the government. So I have severed that link and I have turned to a direct relationship with God rather than using the church as a middle man. You CAN learn a lot of good things in church, but I cannot agree with many of it’s teachings (Satan, Hell, Demons, Condemnation of Non-Christians) because I KNOW that my God did not mess up and have to create a place to dump that mess. I know that my God would not condemn a man who saw how the church overall behaved and turned away but still strived to live as righteously as possible. My God is merciful, compassionate, and loving… he could not bear to toss even one of his creations into a fiery pit forever and watch them suffer like that. He is all-seeing, all-knowing, all-powerful and the fact that he doesn’t coming booming down from the heavens shows us his wisdom as a parent, as a teacher, as a friend. He wants us to learn, and it may be painful for us, but to close let me put it this way. You can tell a child “Don’t touch that, it’s hot” but they won’t get it until they burn their fingers.

Here’s a site that gives a little more explanation than I did about Judaism’s view of Satan:
http://www.outreachjudaism.org/satan.html

5 comments:

  1. Very interesting point of view. And I would also add valid and fairly well thought out, especially considering our extremely limited ability to understand God and his works.

    these 2 verses came to mind when reading this

    James 1:13-14 (NIV)
    When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desires, he is dragged away and enticed.

    1 Corinthians 10:13 (NIV)
    No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

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  2. First, let me complement your excellent writing ability. You have opened a great topic with class and clarity. Thanks.

    I see two root issues here....
    The origin of Satan
    The falleness of Man

    I'd be lying if I said I had a handle on the origins of Satan. I do believe he is a fallen angel. I do believe he was allowed to fall. I believe all of God's creation was built on free will. I believe therefore that Satan excercized his free will and chose to counter God. If then, God created ALL THINGS, including free will, did he create Satan to be his counterpart or to be an angel?

    Well, how about a free will experiment....
    I was given pants at an early age. I wore pants cause that is the right thing to do. I appreciate pants. But...I could choose not to wear pants. If I so chose, then the consequences would be mine to bear. I could form a group of non-panters and go my way...but I would evermore be at odds with the panted people of the world. I would be thrown out.

    Did the creator of a panted world view create me to be pantless?

    Satan was in God's presence from his creation and was in a good place. I suspect it was Heaven. However, Satan chose to go without pants. He chose to counter God's panted existence and go al' fresco. He separated himself from the perfect place. He chose. He reeped the harvest of his choosing.

    Did God then create Satan to fall?

    I think matters partaining to the mind of God are virtually un-thinkable. But the nature of God as presented in the Word of God cause me to believe He did not create Satan to Fall. Satan fell (and yes, God knew it would happen) and then God ejected Satan (and his followers) from the Heavenly home (just as He always knew He would).

    Where did Satan go? Well, I think he went outside the physical bounds of Heaven to live in the physical bounds of earth. He became the Ruler of the World. Earth then, being outside the direct care of God (by His choice) became a thorny, scorny, horny place, just like the new Ruler of the World wanted it. Satan destroyed and killed that which was perfect.

    How could God then create something evil, or evil itself, if God is the God of all that is good. Well, free will is good. what we do with it may or may not be. Any position God would have taken would have a counter or opposite. I would say that free will is much better than the position God could have taken. He could have created us to robotically worship and serve him with no free will. Yuk.

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  3. So then, on to number 2....Falleness.

    'The Devil made me do it' is a common response to many ills of life. To me the truth is that all evil schemes, deceit, lies are a product of the mind of Satan. They are his counter creation.

    If you were to create the perfect machine to do a task...and then mis-wire the power switch so that on was off and off was on (lie) then it's operation would be incorrect.

    God created a perfect world void of sin and with free will at it's core. Satan lied his way out of the perfect world and caused a distortion in it's performance. His deciet mucked it up. He may not be able to directly kill us, but he has so distorted the realities of His world that we kill ourselves while trying to navigate it's chaos (yet another of his creations).

    So, to say the Devil did it is quite accurate to me. When my son was born with Downs Syndrome, I examined this Satan stuff to see who had done this to him. Well, Satan did. He drug his filthy pinky through the perfection of life and screwed up the natural order of things. He is to blame for all the ills of our time. He is orchestrating his own twisted deeds to sum up to the worlds destruction. He is evil.

    Now, some will use the 'devil made me do it' stuff to cover their own free will problems. This crutch is around us all the time. It is in our Churches and in the hearts of Christians. It is a knee-jerk reaction. However, when Satan distorted the free will traits of God's perfect plan, he did it to all of us. So to some degree, Satan is to blame. Generally to blame, specifically not so much.

    Well, my brain's spent. BTW, I wrote all of this with my pants on.

    Love ya dude!

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  4. Your counter-argument is very good, but there is one thing that doesn't compute for me.

    Okay, God knows all things. From before He created to millenia from now and beyond He knows what will be. So if God did not create Satan to fall, but knew it would happen, then God essentially created Satan to fall. If God knows the outcome will be unintentional, then there God has oversight. But God knows all things, therefore He cannot have oversight, therefore Satan could not fall unless God intended him to fall and that creates a paradox of sorts, because then God intended man to eat of the fruit, to fall from grace, to be outcast from Eden, and to endure this hell that we call earth where we would become sinners. According to the Bible, God cannot bear sin, and yet here he is the creator of sin, and God cannot despise that which he creates unless he created it to despise it, but then that goes against the character of God (Love - Compassion - Mercy). Those three traits are the most important traits of God.

    Getting back on track now, here is a scripture that I feel makes my point for me regarding this:

    Jeremiah 1:5 (NIV) "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart..."

    Genesis 2:16-17 (NIV): "16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

    Notice here that it does not say "for IF you eat of it you will surely die" but it says "when" foreshadowing that they will eat of the fruit and that they will surely die. Certainly God intended them to eat of the tree, else it would never have been put there in the first place. He knew they would eventually be tempted by the serpent and would eat of it. If he intended this creation to continue on forever then that tree would never have been placed there and Adam and Eve would have lived forever.

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  5. It's kind of like a logic problem. If A = B and B = C, but A does not = C then you have a paradox.

    Now here's what gets me... where do we get the story that Lucifer fell and became Satan? I thought it was in the early old testament, but that's shared with the Jews. The Jews, however, do not have this story and do not believe there to be a devil or foul being who perverts the perfection of God's creation. So where in the world did Christians get that story?

    The Bible has been changed many times over the course of history, mostly to compel people to believe it or there will be consequences. If there is no penalty for not believing something then fewer people will bother since they have nothing to fear. But create something for them to fear and they shall believe out of fear. Create something for them to hope for and they shall believe out of hope. These are the things that were changed. I believe most of these changes occured around the 1500s when the Catholic church was battling several other religious forms like gnosticism. It's easy if you sit and think about Christianity without Hell or Heaven.. what would be the point? Something had to be done to give it a point.

    In my opinion, the faults that we are born with whether they be small like color-blindness or quite noticeable like down syndrome, are not a tainted or corrupted version of what God had intended, because if God had intended perfection He would have had it. Instead I see them as learning tools. We are purposefully handicapped in certain ways to learn a certain lesson or series of lessons for ourselves and for those whose lives are connected with ours. But what may seem like a curse at first can be some of the most powerful blessings we've ever seen. The limits set for us are the bounds we must work within, similar to a test given where you cannot use all the tools at your disposal, but we grow to understand the tools we are allowed to use so much better. It's easy for us to miss the big picture as we are not really privy to it, but if we take two big steps back and really allow ourselves to soak in what is and has been we can start to see the lessons that God laid forth for us. We can start to see what direction He is taking us in.

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